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Pema
Jun 1, 2012 22:34:38 GMT -6
Post by Ocean Wolf on Jun 1, 2012 22:34:38 GMT -6
Tenzin's wife Pema and mother of all the wild little airbender children. Props to the woman who is basically the Eve of the air nomads. Discuss her here.
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Pema
Jun 2, 2012 16:44:28 GMT -6
Post by theasianwonder on Jun 2, 2012 16:44:28 GMT -6
Okay, I admire her spunk and I absolutely ADORE her personality and I DO understand it's hard to move when you're pregnant but right now, she's legit just not doing it for me. I admire that she's raising three and a half children, pretty much pumped out a shit ton of air benders, married the son of the avatar, blah, blah, blah, but she's... just a housewife. I just described a house wife.
I've said this before and I'm saying it in her thread: I REALLY hope she does something incredible. It doesn't even have to be in a fight or saving lives, I just genuinely hope she does something incredible otherwise, she's one of my least favorite characters.
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Pema
Jun 2, 2012 17:54:25 GMT -6
Post by secretly-broken on Jun 2, 2012 17:54:25 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with April. I really want to like Pema but she hasn't really done anything so far. I do hope we see more of her, as something more than just a mere housewife.
Also, her whole thing about knowing that the girl "wasn't right" for Tenzin really annoyed me. But that whole episode annoyed me (except for the Tahno and the probending) so I'm letting it slide.
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Pema
Jun 3, 2012 12:58:26 GMT -6
Post by Panda on Jun 3, 2012 12:58:26 GMT -6
I was going to post in Pemzin, but decided it would be better suited for here.
When Katara reveals to Pema that she has yet ANOTHER bender on the way, Pema makes the comment that she just wished she had a non-bender... While it could be innocent and natural frustration from dealing with benders while you yourself are not, something about that just rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it would be interesting (and not necessarily something that may happen at all) if that causes tension between her and Tenzin. What if Pema reveals she can understand why non-benders feel so opressed? What if this sparks an arguement, a fight? I don't know. I figured it was possible, but I don't see it really happening.
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Pema
Jun 3, 2012 13:12:33 GMT -6
Post by Ocean Wolf on Jun 3, 2012 13:12:33 GMT -6
I was going to post in Pemzin, but decided it would be better suited for here. When Katara reveals to Pema that she has yet ANOTHER bender on the way, Pema makes the comment that she just wished she had a non-bender... While it could be innocent and natural frustration from dealing with benders while you yourself are not, something about that just rubbed me the wrong way. I think it would be interesting (and not necessarily something that may happen at all) if that causes tension between her and Tenzin. What if Pema reveals she can understand why non-benders feel so opressed? What if this sparks an arguement, a fight? I don't know. I figured it was possible, but I don't see it really happening. Dude, I was thinking and telling my brother the SAME thing not a couple of hours ago. I don't think she will be evil because I believe she genuinely loves Tenzin and her children but it would be interesting to create tension. It could go a lot of ways. That said, I don't know if I think it's true. Anyways, she lives on air temple island which seems isolated from Republic City and the drama that is there. For now.
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Pema
Jun 3, 2012 13:17:54 GMT -6
Post by Panda on Jun 3, 2012 13:17:54 GMT -6
True, she is more or less separated and distant from the happenings in Republic City. But I'm sure being married to a council member, she's still in the know.
If any tension does arise, I'm sure it would be restricted to one episode. And I'm sure the resolve would be a stronger marriage between Tenzin and Pema.
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Pema
Jun 3, 2012 14:07:34 GMT -6
Post by Sarcasmic Canadian on Jun 3, 2012 14:07:34 GMT -6
Hussy, stealing Tenzin from Lin and all....
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Pema
Jun 4, 2012 0:15:58 GMT -6
Post by Panda on Jun 4, 2012 0:15:58 GMT -6
HOW DARE YOU, SHE IS A NICE LADY.
Hem. But I do think she is very, very sweet. She's the soft, tender woman that Lin isn't.
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Pema
Jun 4, 2012 23:48:25 GMT -6
Post by Brystine on Jun 4, 2012 23:48:25 GMT -6
I think Pema was right about Lin, really. Two feisty, hot-headed, stubborn people don't often complement each other well in a relationship. Pema and Tenzin, however, seem to complement each other very well.
I liked that Pema wanted a non-bending child like herself and I think it extends to more than just frustration with her mischievous Airbending children. I think most parents want to see something of themselves in their children--my blue eyes, my knack for music, my temper, etc.--and it's probably a bit disappointing to see every single one of her children taking after Tenzin on something that's very important to the way they can live their lives. I think, too, that she wants the validation that comes with seeing people like herself being able to adequately carry on family tradition.
I think Pema's already doing something amazing. She's a housewife and a mother, but why can't that be awesome? She's raising her children in and recreating a culture that's been dead for a hundred years. I wish there could be more time devoted to who she is and how she's preserving Air Nomad life, but I'm afraid that too many fans and writers will think it a waste of time.
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Pema
Jun 5, 2012 7:01:41 GMT -6
Post by secretly-broken on Jun 5, 2012 7:01:41 GMT -6
I think Pema was right about Lin, really. Two feisty, hot-headed, stubborn people don't often complement each other well in a relationship. Pema and Tenzin, however, seem to complement each other very well. I don't think it's really about whether she was right or not. It annoyed me that she said that she couldn't see Tenzin with a woman that wasn't right for him and had to do something about it. As if she had the power to judge for him. Like he couldn't judge for himself. I don't think it was even the intention behind what she was saying, but more of how she said it. It was poor wording on her part, really. Hussy, stealing Tenzin from Lin and all.... It's a bit unfair to allocate all the blame to Pema. Tenzin played an active part in leaving Lin, himself. Yes, Pema encouraged him or... showed him the error of his ways, as Pema would probably say but at the end of the day, I'm sure it was more Tenzin's choice than anything else.
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Pema
Jun 5, 2012 7:07:43 GMT -6
Post by Ocean Wolf on Jun 5, 2012 7:07:43 GMT -6
Since Pema is like 15 years younger than Tenzin, I wonder if he just never really thought of her that way or if he did, worried it would be creepy so that's why he never took the initiative. He obviously liked her enough to choose her over Lin (and maybe other women too. He is Avatar Aang's son and the last airbending heir in the world, he was probably popular enough), so maybe he always felt it too but didn't want to be Uncle Creepy so he left it alone until she came to him and told him she loved him or whatever she did. Then he was like "woah maybe it is meant to be."
That's my theory of their relationship anyway.
I don't know, I still like Pema. And I agree with most of what Brystie said. I'm as much of a fan of tough active female roles as anyone but there's nothing wrong with a more passive role. You'd have to be a pretty tough lady in some way to raise THOSE three. And yes, I think there's more to Pema than has been shown also but they probably won't have time to delve into that in the series. It is what it is.
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Pema
Jun 5, 2012 12:23:24 GMT -6
Post by InternetMeme on Jun 5, 2012 12:23:24 GMT -6
I love Pema. She's so spunky and loveable.
I can see the housewife things getting to people, but I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Both ATLA and LOK have never ignored the oppression of women in our own society and have made an amazing effort in having strong female characters. We've had entire episodes dedicated to these characters, and to female oppression itself (Warriors of Kyoshi). I don't see anything wrong with showing a woman who has chosen to be a housewife. If it was EXPECTED of her to be a housewife, I would have a problem with it.
So far, for me, she's a perfectly strong side-character. Even more so because she doesn't need to be a physical fighter like the rest of our girls in order to be strong and recognized in the series.
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Pema
Jun 5, 2012 13:26:42 GMT -6
Post by theasianwonder on Jun 5, 2012 13:26:42 GMT -6
I think Pema's already doing something amazing. She's a housewife and a mother, but why can't that be awesome? She's raising her children in and recreating a culture that's been dead for a hundred years. I wish there could be more time devoted to who she is and how she's preserving Air Nomad life, but I'm afraid that too many fans and writers will think it a waste of time. Ehhhhh, I don't think she's recreating the culture at all. The only recreation she's doing for the airbenders is pumping them out one by one. Aang passed on all of the airbending traditions to his children who are doing that for their children. I have trouble giving Pema ANY recognition for that since she's nowhere to be seen throughout the practice grounds, the meditations, everything. There is absolutely no proof of her having ANY hand in "preserving the Air Nomad life" since all we ever see her doing is glaring at Tenzin for interrupting dinner and praying for non-airbending children. I mean, if she were there meditating with them (at the very least), I'd be a lot more gratuitous towards her. If we saw her doing ANYTHING substantial, I'd like her way more but even calling her a housewife is a bit of a stretch because there's no PROOF of it. I don't even know if she cooked that dinner Tarrlok interrupted. We've seen her children way more than we've seen her so where is she during the day? Paying the bills? She's not shown DOING a damn thing (housewiving or not) and that's the primary reason she's meh for me.
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